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This bonus episode features an interview with Steve Riley, Field CTO of Netskope. Steve is a widely-renowned expert speaker, author, researcher, and analyst. Prior to Netskope, Steve came from Gartner, where for five years he maintained a collection of cloud security research that included the Magic Quadrant for Cloud Access Security Brokers and the Market Guide for Zero Trust Network Access.

In this episode, Mike and Steve discuss the Gartner® Magic Quadrant™ for Security Service Edge (SSE), Netskope’s positioning, and how the current economic climate will impact the SASE journey.

I’ve talked to a lot of folks who complain about having to log into multiple consoles, multiple single panes of glass, as some people might want to say. And they love the fact that when they come to Netskope, it’s one spot.

—Steve Riley, Field CTO at Netskope
Steve Riley, former Gartner analyst and Field CTO at Netskope

 

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*(03:58): Steve’s background at Gartner*(34:29): The most important outcome of getting SASE right
*(07:57): Steve discusses the importance of last year’s SSE MQ*(37:45): Why SASE is the right bet to make
*(10:49): What’s changed about SSE in the last year*(40:13): 2030 Goggles
*(19:51): How Netskope’s positioning furthers the SASE journey*(44:11): Quick Hits
*(24:43): How the current economic climate will affect SASE*(48:23): Mike’s 3 takeaways from his conversation with Steve

 

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Steve Riley
Field CTO at Netskope

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Steve Riley

Experienced information technology professional with several advisory and consultative roles among the vendor, end user, and analyst arenas. Specialties include security architecture/design, policy/process, and compliance, both on-premises and in the cloud. Accomplished communicator across business and technical disciplines with many years of public speaking experience. Recognized for ability to bring novel understandings to complex technical topics. Regularly engages audiences of all types, from business executives to technical teams, in customer meetings and at conferences around the world. His passions induce: Building resilient processes and systems that can withstand attack, Creating and evolving security practices that work in cloud computing deployments, Discovering ways for information security to enable and enhance the business, and Producing evidence to convert doubters into supporters.

Mike Anderson
Chief Digital and Information Officer at Netskope

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Mike Anderson

Mike Anderson serves as Chief Digital and Information Officer for Netskope. Over the past 25 years, he has built and led high-performing teams across various disciplines, including sales, operations, business development, and information technology. He joined Netskope from Schneider Electric, a global fortune 500 company, serving as SVP, CIO and Digital Leader for North America. In 2020, Constellation Research named him a member of the Business Transformation 150, an elite list that recognizes the top global executives leading business transformation efforts in their organizations. The National Diversity Council also recognized him as a Top 50 CIO for diversity and inclusion in 2020 and 2021.

Before Schneider Electric, Mike served as CIO for CROSSMARK, where he digitally transformed the business capabilities for the 40,000 employee service provider to the retail and consumer goods industry. Also, he has held executive leadership roles at Enterprise Mobile, a Microsoft joint venture that is now part of Honeywell, Insight, Software Spectrum, and InVerge, a web services pioneer he co-founded in 1999. Mike serves on numerous technology and industry advisory boards and volunteers his time working with nonprofits focused on mental health and suicide prevention and those that benefit the development of our future workforce in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

Steve Riley

Experienced information technology professional with several advisory and consultative roles among the vendor, end user, and analyst arenas. Specialties include security architecture/design, policy/process, and compliance, both on-premises and in the cloud. Accomplished communicator across business and technical disciplines with many years of public speaking experience. Recognized for ability to bring novel understandings to complex technical topics. Regularly engages audiences of all types, from business executives to technical teams, in customer meetings and at conferences around the world. His passions induce: Building resilient processes and systems that can withstand attack, Creating and evolving security practices that work in cloud computing deployments, Discovering ways for information security to enable and enhance the business, and Producing evidence to convert doubters into supporters.

Mike Anderson

Mike Anderson serves as Chief Digital and Information Officer for Netskope. Over the past 25 years, he has built and led high-performing teams across various disciplines, including sales, operations, business development, and information technology. He joined Netskope from Schneider Electric, a global fortune 500 company, serving as SVP, CIO and Digital Leader for North America. In 2020, Constellation Research named him a member of the Business Transformation 150, an elite list that recognizes the top global executives leading business transformation efforts in their organizations. The National Diversity Council also recognized him as a Top 50 CIO for diversity and inclusion in 2020 and 2021.

Before Schneider Electric, Mike served as CIO for CROSSMARK, where he digitally transformed the business capabilities for the 40,000 employee service provider to the retail and consumer goods industry. Also, he has held executive leadership roles at Enterprise Mobile, a Microsoft joint venture that is now part of Honeywell, Insight, Software Spectrum, and InVerge, a web services pioneer he co-founded in 1999. Mike serves on numerous technology and industry advisory boards and volunteers his time working with nonprofits focused on mental health and suicide prevention and those that benefit the development of our future workforce in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

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[music] Steve Riley: I would say that there's a lot of power in the singles, the single policy framework, the single console, the single agent. I've talk to a lot of folks who complain about having to log into multiple consoles, multiple single panes of classes, some people might wanna say, and they love the fact that when they come to Netskope, it's one spot. The singles are helping us eliminate all of these acronyms and eliminate all the ways... Thinking differently about the different destinations, having a unified policy mindset.

Producer 1: Hello and welcome to Security Visionaries. You just heard from today's guest, Steve Riley, field CTO at Netskope. With the release of Gartner's Magic Quadrant for Security Service Edge, industry leaders are focused on becoming part of the revolution, from automating their environments, investing in new skills for their people to considering the economic climate. These are just a few of the challenges they face on their journey. Before we dive into Steve's interview, here's a brief word from our sponsor.

Producer 2: The Security Visionaries Podcast is powered by the team at Netskope. At Netskope, we are redefining cloud, data and network security with a platform that provides optimized access and zero trust security for people, devices, and data anywhere they go. To learn more about how Netskope helps customers be ready for anything on their SASE journey, visit N-E-T-S-K-O-P-E dot com.

Producer 1: Without further ado, please enjoy this bonus episode of Security Visionaries with Steve Riley, field CTO at Netskope, and your host, Mike Anderson.

Mike Anderson: Welcome to this episode of the Security Visionaries Podcast. This is your host, Mike Anderson. I'm the Chief Digital and Information Officer here at Netskope. I am joined today by a legend in the security space, former Gartner analyst, current field CTO at Netskope, Steve Riley. Steve, how are you doing today?

Steve Riley: I'm well. Thanks, Mike. How are you doing?

Mike Anderson: I'm well. I'm well. I always enjoy our conversations and all the story. You've got so many great stories.

[chuckle] Steve Riley: Now I have to tell some of them. Oh, what am I gonna remember?

Mike Anderson: One of the story, Steve, that's always funny is when you were at, I believe it was one of the big Microsoft, maybe tech ed or developer conferences, you got up and talked about security and got everyone excited about security at Microsoft, which kind of was like an oxymoron at the time. But maybe you could retell that story.

Steve Riley: Yeah. So it was maybe, not the first tech ed I spoke at it, but the second one. I had to give a presentation in the big room like, what's new in Windows XP security. I'm standing in the shower that morning, trying to think, "How am I gonna say to this giant crowd of people to get them to at least pay attention to this random person?" and it finally dawned on me. So I got on stage and I said, "Alright, I'm gonna divide the room in half. Everybody on this side, when I raise my left arm, I want you to yell Windows, and everybody on the other side, when I raise my right hand, I want to yell security. Alright, now let's practice." "Windows." "Security." So, you know, make fun of the right-hand side because they were kind of anemic. "Ah, you guys are suck. Let's try this again, so do it three times, right? "Windows." "Security." "Windows." "Security." And then I said, "See? As you say it often enough, it starts to sound like the truth now, doesn't it?" When 9000 people are laughing at something that you just said, it's like, "Okay, I wanna do this for the rest of my life." [chuckle]

Mike Anderson: Well, absolutely. Well, so let's jump in the conversation today. The exciting news came out. The new Gartner Magic Quadrant came out for Security Service Edge, so obviously being, both working at Netskope, super excited about the results.

Steve Riley: Oh yeah. I sure am.

Mike Anderson: Before we dive into that, I'd love to kinda back up. And you were at Gartner for a while. Then you were kind of, I would say, one of the parents of the whole Security Service Edge, if we think about Zero Trust Network Access. I know you love that acronym that you created, ZTNA, 'cause it has the word network in it. That'll be my sarcasm for you for the day. I wanna start there. Let's talk about your journey a little bit there before we dive in, just so people understand the context around your expertise in this specific area.

Steve Riley: Right. I was hired into Gartner in the security risk management practice, specifically focusing on public cloud security. So that was what I provided advice and guidance for with our clients for the entire time I was there, about five and a half years, is how to be secure in IaaS clouds like AWS and Azure. A little bit of GCP. Not too popular among Gartner clients. But then a lot of conversations in how to be secure in SAS applications like Office 365 and some of the other popular ones. In fact, at the time when I was interviewing for Gartner, one of the interview processes was you show up at an office, they put you in a room and you get 90 minutes and you have to write a research note out of your brain. You don't have any internet connectivity, no nothing, and the topic that I received was, how to be secure in Office 365. So I just used everything I could remember about that and wrote about a three-page-ish note, and I decided that my first actual note at Gartner would be a more well-rounded version of that same thing, and I think that was always one of my top red notes, because people just did not know how they could be secure in SaaS applications, which is interesting when you think about it, because in the IaaS services, they generally tend to have secure by default settings. You hear about these leaky buckets and it'll be this all the time. That's because somebody changed the default to something weaker.

Steve Riley: In SaaS applications is very different. Most of the security is switched off. You have to turn it on. And so you may wanna know, "Well, why is that?" A lot of SaaS applications facilitate collaboration and security sometimes gets in the way of collaboration, so most of the controls are off. But then if you think about security in SaaS applications, maybe only a handful of them have decent built-in security. Most of them have nothing at all, and this was what gave rise to the whole market of cloud access security broker, where Netskope started, is that maybe it's the best example you can think of where bolt-on security actually works. You hear about this all the time, you can't bolt security on, you have to build it in. That's true if you're writing your own applications, but for SaaS, you don't own the app. If you wanna secure it, the only option you have is to bolt something on, and that's CASBs do really well.

Steve Riley: I came to really apprecia