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This episode features an interview with Matthew McCormack, SVP & Chief Information Security Officer at GlaxoSmithKline. GSK is one of the world’s largest pharmaceutical and consumer healthcare companies, with a market cap north of $115B. Matthew is responsible for the cybersecurity and risk management of GSK’s global network of 100,000 employees and over 100 manufacturing facilities.

On this episode, Matthew discusses why security is an inherently collaborative discipline, how to keep up with the constantly shifting nature of the industry, and how we can all help create the pipeline of future cyber leaders.

How do we help create a pipeline of future cyber leaders… how do we get millions more people into the discipline?
If you are somebody that looks at something and says, ‘I don’t understand why it looks like that, but I’m going to go figure out why,’ then you’re right for this field.

—Matthew McCormack, SVP & Chief Information Security Officer at GlaxoSmithKline

 

Timestamps

*(0:50) - Matthew’s first job in security
*(3:30) - Matthew’s role at GSK
*(5:20) - How Matthew keeps up with the changing industry of security
*(6:45) - What it was like going from federal security to commercial security
*(11:17) - The fastest growing risk in security today
*(22:00) - Birds-eye-view on the current state of frameworks
*(27:52) - What security leaders can do about the talent gap
*(33:10) - Matthew’s favorite domain in security
*(35:52) - Segment: Quick Hits

 

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Matthew McCormack
SVP & Chief Information Security Officer at GlaxoSmithKline

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Matthew McCormack

Matthew McCormack is the SVP & Chief Information Security Officer at GlaxoSmithKline, one of the world’s largest pharmaceutical and consumer healthcare companies. He is responsible for the cybersecurity and risk management of GSK’s global network of 100,000 employees and over 100 manufacturing facilities. A 20-year industry veteran, he was previously the CISO of EMC and the Global CTO of RSA. Matthew joined the private sector after a career in the Federal Government and the United States Navy. During his service he was the Chief Information Security Officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Director, Cybersecurity Operations at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), as well as the Director, Security Engineering and the Chief Security Architect for the IRS. Matthew was a Cryptologic Officer in the United States Navy and is a combat veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan. He earned a Bachelor’s degree and Master’s degree in Industrial Engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) and an MBA in Finance from the University of West Florida. He currently maintains Certified Information System Security Professional (CISSP), Certified Secure Software Lifecycle Professional (CSSLP), ITIL V3.0 and CMMI certifications.

Jason Clark
Chief Strategy and Marketing Officer at Netskope

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Jason Clark

Jason brings decades of experience building and executing successful strategic security programs to Netskope.

He was previously the chief security and strategy officer for Optiv, developing a comprehensive suite of solutions to help CXO executives enhance their security strategies and accelerate alignment of those strategies with the business. Prior to Optiv, Clark held a leadership role at Websense, where he was a driving force behind the company’s transformation into a provider of critical technology for chief information security officers (CISOs). In a prior role as CISO and vice president of infrastructure for Emerson Electric, Clark significantly decreased the company’s risk by developing and executing a successful security program for 140,000 employees across 1,500 locations. He was previously CISO for The New York Times, and has held security leadership and technical roles at EverBank, BB&T and the U.S. Army.

Matthew McCormack

Matthew McCormack is the SVP & Chief Information Security Officer at GlaxoSmithKline, one of the world’s largest pharmaceutical and consumer healthcare companies. He is responsible for the cybersecurity and risk management of GSK’s global network of 100,000 employees and over 100 manufacturing facilities. A 20-year industry veteran, he was previously the CISO of EMC and the Global CTO of RSA. Matthew joined the private sector after a career in the Federal Government and the United States Navy. During his service he was the Chief Information Security Officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Director, Cybersecurity Operations at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), as well as the Director, Security Engineering and the Chief Security Architect for the IRS. Matthew was a Cryptologic Officer in the United States Navy and is a combat veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan. He earned a Bachelor’s degree and Master’s degree in Industrial Engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) and an MBA in Finance from the University of West Florida. He currently maintains Certified Information System Security Professional (CISSP), Certified Secure Software Lifecycle Professional (CSSLP), ITIL V3.0 and CMMI certifications.

Jason Clark

Jason brings decades of experience building and executing successful strategic security programs to Netskope.

He was previously the chief security and strategy officer for Optiv, developing a comprehensive suite of solutions to help CXO executives enhance their security strategies and accelerate alignment of those strategies with the business. Prior to Optiv, Clark held a leadership role at Websense, where he was a driving force behind the company’s transformation into a provider of critical technology for chief information security officers (CISOs). In a prior role as CISO and vice president of infrastructure for Emerson Electric, Clark significantly decreased the company’s risk by developing and executing a successful security program for 140,000 employees across 1,500 locations. He was previously CISO for The New York Times, and has held security leadership and technical roles at EverBank, BB&T and the U.S. Army.

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Matthew McCormack: How do we help create a pipeline of future cyber leaders, but then also that pyramid? How do we get millions more people into the discipline and just convince them that you don't have to be a com sci or an engineer to do this, right? All you have to be is inquisitive, right? What I want is I want somebody who looks at something and says, "Well, that's interesting. That doesn't make sense." "Let me figure out why," that's the person who would make a good security person. If you are somebody that looks at something and says, "I don't understand why it looks like that, but I'm going to go figure out why," then you're right for this field.

Narrator: Hello and welcome to Security Visionaries hosted by Jason Clark, CISO at Netskope. You just heard from today's guest, Matthew McCormack, senior vice president and chief information security officer at GSK. What happens in a world where the bad guys outnumber the good guys? If you're a modern day CISO, this thought keeps you up at night. Cyber criminals are multiplying at an astounding rate and CISOs are racing to build out teams that can help them stay ahead. A key part of the fight is developing the next generation of security leaders, but how do we, as an industry fill the ranks of tomorrow's cybersecurity forces? Luckily, that's just what today's guest is here to help us figure out. So before we dive into Matthews gameplan, here's a brief word from our sponsor.

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Narrator: Without further ado, please enjoy episode four, Security Visionaries with Matthew McCormick, senior vice president and chief information security officer of GSK, and your host, Jason Clark.

Jason Clark: Welcome to security visionaries. I'm your host Jason Clark, CMO and chief strategy officer and chief security officer at Netskope. I'm joined today by my friend and special guests, Matt McCormack. Matt, how are you?

Matthew McCormack: Good. Jason, how are you?

Jason Clark: I am super fantastic, man. Really good to kick off this podcast series with you here. You are our second guest. I was with Emily Heath two weeks ago and that went really, really well. So, as we get started, what was your first job insecurity?

Matthew McCormack: So my first job insecurity, actually ironically, was in the Navy, right? When I was ROTC in college in my senior year of college, they did a physical on me before I joined the Navy and told me that I was red-green colorblind. And if you are familiar with boats at all, red and green are important colors out at sea. It tells you which way the ship is going. And so they basically told me I couldn't fly a plane or drive a ship and so they turned me into a cryptologist which in the '90s cryptology morphed into the early network security. So really wound up in this because of the Navy and because I was colorblind.

Jason Clark: That's an interesting story, right? I think my mind was similar to yours from joining the army, not because of colorblindness, right? But I was flying planes thinking I wanted to be a pilot, and while I was flying, the pilots all around me were professional airline pilots, I had left the Navy, and they said, "Listen, you don't want to be a professional airline pilot. Basically, I'm just driving a bus. Pick a different career." And I'm like, "Oh, wow, okay. You just crushed my dreams."

Matthew McCormack: That's some good advice though.

Jason Clark: It was great advice and I dumped into security. That was it. I was an analyst, right? So it changed my life.

Matthew McCormack: The world has changed, right? Now people are getting into security originally, right? Security originalists, where we all happened into it years ago.

Jason Clark: It was good. I think, Matt, I must say, we've known each other probably 15 years, right? I'd say we've helped be the foundation for this industry, right? We've started from this thing from zero together. It's been pretty cool to see.

Matthew McCormack: I know my first CISO role actually, I was the first CISO at the organization at Defense Intelligence Agency. There hadn't been one before. The idea that we're literally creating some of those first organizations and as scary as it sounds almost 20 years ago, but yes. I remember our first interactions, you were with Websense and Blue Coats back then and I was at the IRS and then everybody was doing their first web proxying and web filtering. 20+ years ago, network security was just packet filtering firewalls, right? And that was it. And then, VPNs and then all the web content filtering popped in and now here we are today.

Jason Clark: Just honestly, we were figuring it out, right? We were just having to invent, as we went and said, "Okay, let's see if this works," right? Which is a lot I think of contributes to a lot of the ways that we still need to do things today, right? And so tell us a little bit about your role at GSK.

Matthew McCormack: As the Chief Information Security Officer, I have all the traditional roles of a CISO, right? Whether it's the cybersecurity network defense, but I also have the GRC function, that governance, risk and compliance which was a global regulated pharmaceutical. There are a significant amount of regulations. And one of the interesting pieces when you're global is it's not just US regulations, right? It's regulations for every company or every country that you manufacture and sell in. And we are in a significant amount of countries. And so when you look at the governance, risk and compliance, its significance, right? As opposed to a previous role with a US tech company, where you're really only generally concerned about a limited amount of countries.

Matthew McCormack: Being with a pharmaceutical that manufactures and sells in almost every country, having to be aware of and pay attention to all these different compliance rules is different, right? Actually it's quite eye opening because you get to see the manner in which different countries approach the privacy of their citizens and how data is kept and maintained. And there's a wide variety, right? I say, as an American, we generally treat the privacy of our citizens toward the bottom of how many other countries do. A lot of countries are very protective of their citizens data. So it was a quite eye opening starting this role several years ago.

Jason Clark: How do you keep up with it at all? That is a lot, right? That's a lot of changing. It looks like it's changing faster than ever it has to me. So how do you stay on top of it?

Matthew McCormack: Well, I mean, for me, look, you have to have a team of people that know how to do it and know how to do it well but also global. You're not going to have a team of people sitting in one spot that's able to manage this global program. When you look at GRC, you have individual people. I'll have several people that are the only person on my team in that country, right? And their job is to maintain that relationship with the local governments and to keep us abreast of all the changes, but there's a lot of significant when you look at China security law, China privacy law, but there's also a lot of privacy discussions going on in India about changing laws over there.

Matthew McCormack: And so when you look at some of these larger countries, any changes in privacy laws can have impact on us globally, right? Because to comply with some of these laws, you