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On this episode of Security Visionaries, host Emily Wearmouth explores the concept of zero trust with cybersecurity experts John Kindervag, the “Godfather of Zero Trust,” and Neil Thacker. Listen in as they recount the origins of zero trust, its underlying principles, and how it’s reshaping modern organizations. They also clarify the common misconception that zero trust is only about identity and access management, stressing that its broader scope in safeguarding organizational assets. Moreover, they delve into the trials and tribulations of implementing zero trust, and the need for comprehending the organization’s mission and protect surface. Finally, we encourage organizations to gradually, iteratively, and inconspicuously adopt zero trust while keeping a close eye on the system.

People aren’t packets. You can’t apply the concept of trust. So get rid of the word trust. That’s the easiest thing to do, replace it with validation. We’re validating signals so that we have confidence in allowing access to a resource.

John Kindervag, Chief Evangelist at Illumio
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Timestamps

*00:01 - Introduction*18:29 - Importance of understanding the protect surface and mission
*01:36 - Prompting the initial conception of zero trust*20:32 - Zero trust beyond networks and the role of technology
*03:14 - Initial reaction to the zero trust concept*25:23 - Zero trust as a bespoke approach
*06:54 - Factors to consider in zero trust decision-making*28:59 - Why zero trust is the right term
*10:12 - Zero trust as a board-level topic*29:35 - Conclusion
*14:26 - Transitioning to zero trust architecture

 

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John Kindervag
Chief Evangelist at Illumio

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John Kindervag

With more than 25 years of experience as a practitioner and industry analyst, Kindervag is one of the world’s foremost cybersecurity experts and is known for creating the transformational zero trust Model of cybersecurity. Previously, Kindervag led cybersecurity strategy as a senior vice president at ON2IT. Previously, he served as field CTO at Palo AltoNetworks. Before that, Kindervag spent over eight years as a Vice President and Principal Analyst on the security and risk team at Forrester Research. It was there that he famously developed the concept of Zero Trust, an architectural approach founded on the principle of “never trust, always verify” that operates on the assumption that breaches are inevitable and that threats can originate from anywhere, even inside the network. Kindervag also serves as an advisor to several organizations, including the Cloud Security Alliance and Venture Capital firm NightDragon, and he was a contributor to the National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee Report to the President.

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Neil Thacker
CISO, EMEA at Netskope

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Neil Thacker

Neil Thacker is a veteran information security professional and a data protection and privacy expert well-versed in the European Union General Data Protection Regulation (EU GDPR).

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Emily Wearmouth
Director of International Communications and Content at Netskope

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Emily Wearmouth

Emily Wearmouth is a technology communicator who helps engineers, specialists and tech organisations to communicate more effectively. At Netskope, Emily runs the company’s international communications and content programmes, working with teams across EMEA, LATAM, and APJ. She spends her days unearthing stories and telling them in a way that helps a wide range of audiences to better understand technology options and benefits.

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John Kindervag

With more than 25 years of experience as a practitioner and industry analyst, Kindervag is one