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This bonus episode features an interview with Steve Riley, Field CTO of Netskope. Steve is a widely-renowned expert speaker, author, researcher, and analyst. Prior to Netskope Steve came from Gartner, where for five years he maintained a collection of cloud security research that included the Magic Quadrant for Cloud Access Security Brokers and the Market Guide for Zero Trust Network Access.

On this episode, Steve elaborates on his background as it pertains to being an analyst at Gartner, the exciting future of SSE, and so much more.

The benefits of SSE, or security service edge and a SASE journey are very clear. To me, it’s the perfect reset for security.

—Jason Clark, Chief Strategy and Marketing Officer at Netskope
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*(0:40) - Steve’s background*(21:55) - All things SSE
*(2:50) - Avoiding boredom*(24:51) - Surprises with the new MQ
*(6:29) - Huge announcement*(28:00) - What Steve loved/didn’t love about publishing MQ
*(11:13) - The moment that helped drive this new change*(31:34) - The future of SSE
*(18:22) - The difference between SSE vs. SASE

 

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Steve Riley
Field CTO at Netskope

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Steve Riley

Experienced information technology professional with several advisory and consultative roles among the vendor, end user, and analyst arenas. Specialties include security architecture/design, policy/process, and compliance, both on-premises and in the cloud. Accomplished communicator across business and technical disciplines with many years of public speaking experience. Recognized for ability to bring novel understandings to complex technical topics. Regularly engages audiences of all types, from business executives to technical teams, in customer meetings and at conferences around the world. His passions induce: Building resilient processes and systems that can withstand attack, Creating and evolving security practices that work in cloud computing deployments, Discovering ways for information security to enable and enhance the business, and Producing evidence to convert doubters into supporters.

Jason Clark
Chief Strategy and Marketing Officer at Netskope

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Jason Clark

Jason brings decades of experience building and executing successful strategic security programs to Netskope.

He was previously the chief security and strategy officer for Optiv, developing a comprehensive suite of solutions to help CXO executives enhance their security strategies and accelerate alignment of those strategies with the business. Prior to Optiv, Clark held a leadership role at Websense, where he was a driving force behind the company’s transformation into a provider of critical technology for chief information security officers (CISOs). In a prior role as CISO and vice president of infrastructure for Emerson Electric, Clark significantly decreased the company’s risk by developing and executing a successful security program for 140,000 employees across 1,500 locations. He was previously CISO for The New York Times, and has held security leadership and technical roles at EverBank, BB&T and the U.S. Army.

Steve Riley

Experienced information technology professional with several advisory and consultative roles among the vendor, end user, and analyst arenas. Specialties include security architecture/design, policy/process, and compliance, both on-premises and in the cloud. Accomplished communicator across business and technical disciplines with many years of public speaking experience. Recognized for ability to bring novel understandings to complex technical topics. Regularly engages audiences of all types, from business executives to technical teams, in customer meetings and at conferences around the world. His passions induce: Building resilient processes and systems that can withstand attack, Creating and evolving security practices that work in cloud computing deployments, Discovering ways for information security to enable and enhance the business, and Producing evidence to convert doubters into supporters.

Jason Clark

Jason brings decades of experience building and executing successful strategic security programs to Netskope.

He was previously the chief security and strategy officer for Optiv, developing a comprehensive suite of solutions to help CXO executives enhance their security strategies and accelerate alignment of those strategies with the business. Prior to Optiv, Clark held a leadership role at Websense, where he was a driving force behind the company’s transformation into a provider of critical technology for chief information security officers (CISOs). In a prior role as CISO and vice president of infrastructure for Emerson Electric, Clark significantly decreased the company’s risk by developing and executing a successful security program for 140,000 employees across 1,500 locations. He was previously CISO for The New York Times, and has held security leadership and technical roles at EverBank, BB&T and the U.S. Army.

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Steve Riley: The benefits of SSE or security service edge is and a SASE journey, is very clear. It is the first time to me, it's that perfect reset for security. They get to move the majority of their inspection points closer to the user, closer to the data. They get to move it out of the data center to the cloud, right? Where it can be applied everywhere data goes everywhere user.

Producer: Hello, and welcome to Security Visionaries posted by Jason Clark CSO at Netskope. Right now we are smack in the middle of one of the biggest evolutions in cybersecurity, both in the last 10 years and in the decade to come. This is the feeling driving today's very special episode on the release of the first ever Gartner Magic Quadrant for Security Service Edge, which establishes the framework for how security will need to be delivered in the cloud and the company's best equipped to provide it including Netskope. In this episode, we bring you a conversation with Steve Riley, a former Gartner analyst and current field CTO at Netskope who has played a major role in many previous Magic Quadrants. Steve sits down with Jason to discuss the recent Magic Quadrant for SSE provides details on the whys, the whats and the hows of SSE and underscores why this is so important to the future of security. This is Security Visionaries. Before we dive into Steve's interview, here's a brief word from our sponsor.

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Producer: Without further ado, please enjoy the special episode of Security Visionaries with Steve Riley, field CTO at Netskope and your host. Jason Clark.

Jason Clark: Welcome to security visionaries. I'm your host, Jason Clark, CMO and chief strategy officer and chief security officer at Netskope. And today I am joined by a very special guest. Steve Riley, Steve, how are you?

Steve Riley: Very good, Jason. Thanks. How about yourself?

Jason Clark: I am super fantastic. Today is a fun day because there's some big news that just hit that we're going to talk about. And so that'd be little fill a lot of our conversation that the listeners will enjoy, but let's maybe start with just you introducing yourself and describing, cause you're most famous for being a Gartner analyst, right? And the creator of the first Magic Quadrant for CASB, which was been a pretty big deal. So maybe you can describe, talk through that life and of being a Gartner analyst and the creation of the Magic Quadrant and just a background about yourself.

Steve Riley: When I was a Gartner, I covered pretty much everything to do with public cloud security. So I would get questions from folks about how to be secure in IAS environments, AWS, Azure, a little bit of GCP, SASE environments, mostly office 365 smattering, a few others. And then of course when the CASB MQ work started, I began taking a lot of inquiry about that too. So a typical day for me would be five hours of conversations with clients. And then the remainder of my day, I would be dividing between things like writing, research, reading, other things, to formulate new ideas, conducting some analysis of the stuff that I had collected. And then peer review is a big component of that. No Gartner research goes out without another set of well, multiple sets of eyes taking a look at it to make sure the opinions are sound and that there's some consistency in it.

Jason Clark: So, what were your coverage areas?

Steve Riley: So anything about public cloud security, lots of stuff about AWS and Azure security. I didn't get too many people asking about GCP security. I just don't know if Gartner clients use Google cloud very much. I had a lot of office 365 security inquiry. In fact, the first note I wrote was about how to be secure in office 365. And then of course the CASB and the ZTA inquiry began to ramp up after I wrote the first documents on those two markets.

Jason Clark: I feel like the GCP aspect, I think that's changing fast. I see a lot of discussions around GCP, in a pretty big way, I'd say over the last 12 months, faster than I've ever seen. So I'd say it's probably starting to hit heavy, but how did you avoid boredom, you once told me that your wife said she could do your job because you just say the same thing over and over and over and over again, right, and I thought, okay, like how do you manage boredom then?

Steve Riley: Well, it's true. Many of my conversations would sound the same if you only heard my half of it, which is what she would hear, right. My half. And it doesn't matter what the other person says. I'll just say the first thing, pause, I'll say the next thing, pause, say the next thing like, well, it's not quite like that. What made it interesting was hearing the other person, hearing the client, what did they want to learn? What were they trying to solve? What thorny issues were keeping them from advancing? So it's true that most people face essentially similar problems, but there was always a different set of context or something unique about it that allowed me to sit in front of my computer for five, sometimes six hours a day and have what might have sounded like the same conversation, but always learn something new from it. So that's how I avoided getting bored was I usually learn something.

Jason Clark: So what percent of customers that you would talk to? Wow [inaudible 00:05:42]

Steve Riley: Not a whole lot. I can remember some instances of where I could tell that I was speaking with a client who had already been thinking a lot about cloud security and they were trying to optimize what they were doing. Most of my conversations though, were with folks who were just getting started in the cloud. So, how do I transition my thinking away from on-premises appliance based to this idea of subscribing to stuff where the security controls are coming from the people who are also providing me the rest of the infrastructure. So I don't want to say that smart people don't need Gartner and that it's only stupid people who use Gartner. That's not absolutely true at all, but from the perspective of my coverage area, since it was solely dedicated to cloud security, which was still new for quite a lot of folks, most of my interactions tended to be at that sort of beginner to an intermediate level. And I was totally okay with that. I didn't mind that at all.

Jason Clark: I was in London watching you on stage. There's something you said that stuck with me since then. And it was the big difference in security is that data is no longer on a CPU that you own or control. And I was like, wow, that's the simplest one sentence way to say it, that changes everything. And as you think about that, and that's where CASB and why your love for cloud security, right? As you have drive this change, how long did you predict that the CASB MQ would stick around before the market demanded convergence or a change?

Steve Riley: Well, the first iteration of the MQ was in the end of 2017 on Halloween, at the 2018 security risk management summit. I was doing a theater presentation on the Magic Quadrant. So these are just like 15 minutes of where you talk through what the market is and why the vendors landed, where they did and where you think it might go. Somebody asked me that question, how long do you think this market's going to last? And I said, I figure, we'll probably do three more iterations of this MQ before the market [more 00:07:52] sent us something else and we'll need to write another MQ. And my manager's manager was standing in the back with his arms folded, shaking his head, no, no, no. Because MQs are revenue generating things for Gartner, but it turned out to be right.

Jason Clark: So, okay. So let's just get straight to the big news. So today the Gartner announced a new MQ, which is called Security Service Edge, which is part of the SASE kind of framework or journey, right? And what it does is collapses and says, look, there's no more secure app gateway MQ, right? There's no more CASB. And it takes in everything's ZTNA, along with a number of other aspects and so, this is now one platform, one MQ. I see this as something that is probably the number one biggest thing that happened the cybersecurity in the last 10 years, and definitely for the next 10, this is really big, biggest transformation I think I've ever seen. And you were a major part of that. Can you talk a little bit about SSE, your involvement in the creation of this thing and the proponent for it, and also why is a new MQ and why are the other ones going away?

Steve Riley: My co-author with the CASB Magic Quadrant and critical capabi