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On the latest episode of Security Visionaries, host Emily Wearmouth chats with guests Suzanne Oliver, an intellectual property expert, and Krishna Narayanaswamy, co-founder and CTO of Netskope, about the world of patents. From defining what a patent is, to understanding the roles of patent offices and the application process, they leave no stone unturned. The discussion delves into the nitty-gritty details of patenting costs, timeframes, and their strategic importance for businesses. Suzanne and Krishna also tackle the issue of patent trolls and the hurdles they create, along with highlighting the relevance of diversity and inclusivity in patenting. Tune in to hear a wealth of knowledge about patents and their pivotal role in the tech industry.

Strategic patenting can pay off, just like strategic investments in any description in property can pay off. At the end of the day, it’s then balancing that with actually getting the product to market, if you’re getting too many patents, paying for too many patents, but you don’t get your product to market ’cause you didn’t invest in that enough then you’ve put your investments in the wrong place.

—Suzanne Oliver, Director of IP Strategy at Scintilla
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Timestamps

*00:01 - Introduction*16:06 - How long is the patent process? Is it costly?
*1:19 - What’s a patent*17:46 - Strategically selling patents
*3:36 - Applying for patents in multiple countries*19:27 - Patent trolling
*6:19 - What’s to stop someone in a market where you haven't secured the patent taking that idea?*24:11 - Crowdsourcing for prior art
*8:34 - What are the limitations of where patents can play?*27:13 - Advantages and disadvantages of having a lot of names on a patent
*10:26 - Debunking an urban myths about patents*28:43 - Anything else to add about patents?
*12:25 - How do you decide what to patent?*30:47 - Conclusion

 

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Suzanne Oliver
Director of IP Strategy at Scintilla

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Suzanne Oliver

Suzanne is a dual qualified UK and European Patent Attorney and has recently joined the Scintilla team as Director, IP Strategy. Prior to her career in Intellectual Property, she spent a number of years in engineering. Suzanne worked in-house in a tech and robotics start-up, GroundWOW, leading their IP strategy, as well as IP policy development. Previously, she was responsible for Operations, Legal, and IP at SeeChange Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary and subsequent spin out of ARM Ltd. Prior to her work with SeeChange Technologies, Suzanne managed ARM’s global patent and trademark prosecution teams supporting a diverse portfolio of IP strategy, policy and development matters for ARM.

In addition to her impressive professional credentials, she holds several NED and Board positions, most recently as the President of the UK IP Federation. This saw her advise the UK government in the field of innovation and IP.

Suzanne has championed women in STEM, inclusion and diversity throughout her career, being named as an IAM ‘World Leading IP Strategist’ for 2017, and as a Managing IP ‘Corporate IP Star’ in 2018 & 2019. She was a national award winner for her Corporate Diversity and Inclusion Leadership work in 2018.

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Krishna Narayanaswamy
Chief Technology Officer at Netskope

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Krishna Narayanaswamy

Krishna Narayanaswamy, Netskope’s Founder and CTO, is a highly regarded researcher in deep packet inspection, security, and behavioral anomaly detection with over 25 years of industry experience. He leads Netskope’s research efforts in data and threat protection and is a frequent presenter on security thought leadership topics in leading conferences. Previously he founded Top Layer Networks and served as a distinguished engineer at Juniper Networks where he delivered successful products to the market. He holds over 50 patents that range from security to accelerated packet processing to data classification.

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Emily Wearmouth
Director of International Communications and Content at Netskope

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Emily Wearmouth

Emily Wearmouth is a technology communicator who helps engineers, specialists and tech organisations to communicate more effectively. At Netskope, Emily runs the company’s international communications and content programmes, working with teams across EMEA, LATAM, and APJ. She spends her days unearthing stories and telling them in a way that helps a wide range of audiences to better understand technology options and benefits.

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Suzanne Oliver

Suzanne is a dual qualified UK and European Patent Attorney and has recently joined the Scintilla team as Director, IP Strategy. Prior to her career in Intellectual Property, she spent a number of years in engineering. Suzanne worked in-house in a tech and robotics start-up, GroundWOW, leading their IP strategy, as well as IP policy development. Previously, she was responsible for Operations, Legal, and IP at SeeChange Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary and subsequent spin out of ARM Ltd. Prior to her work with SeeChange Technologies, Suzanne managed ARM’s global patent and trademark prosecution teams supporting a diverse portfolio of IP strategy, policy and development matters for ARM.

In addition to her impressive professional credentials, she holds several NED and Board positions, most recently as the President of the UK IP Federation. This saw her advise the UK government in the field of innovation and IP.

Suzanne has championed women in STEM, inclusion and diversity throughout her career, being named as an IAM ‘World Leading IP Strategist’ for 2017, and as a Managing IP ‘Corporate IP Star’ in 2018 & 2019. She was a national award winner for her Corporate Diversity and Inclusion Leadership work in 2018.

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Krishna Narayanaswamy

Krishna Narayanaswamy, Netskope’s Founder and CTO, is a highly regarded researcher in deep packet inspection, security, and behavioral anomaly detection with over 25 years of industry experience. He leads Netskope’s research efforts in data and threat protection and is a frequent presenter on security thought leadership topics in leading conferences. Previously he founded Top Layer Networks and served as a distinguished engineer at Juniper Networks where he delivered successful products to the market. He holds over 50 patents that range from security to accelerated packet processing to data classification.

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Emily Wearmouth

Emily Wearmouth is a technology communicator who helps engineers, specialists and tech organisations to communicate more effectively. At Netskope, Emily runs the company’s international communications and content programmes, working with teams across EMEA, LATAM, and APJ. She spends her days unearthing stories and telling them in a way that helps a wide range of audiences to better understand technology options and benefits.

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Episode transcript

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Emily Wearmouth: Hello and welcome to the Security Visionaries Podcast, a place where we bring experts together to talk about all things data, cyber, and innovation. Today we're gonna talk innovation specifically because we have an episode all about patents. I'm your host, Emily Wearmouth, let me introduce my guests. Suzanne Oliver is our intellectual property expert today, she works in private practice as an IP strategist and a lawyer at Scintilla. She used to run the IP department at Arm, and she also represents a number of IP bodies and associations at a government level. Suzanne joined us back in September and you may remember hearing her talk all about AI and that clearly we didn't scare her off because she's agreed to come back on and talk patents today. Welcome, Suzanne.

Suzanne Oliver: Thank you. Happy to be back. Thanks, Emily.

Emily Wearmouth: Anyone who knows my second guest would tell you that he's a hot contender for the nicest man in Tech award, but that's not all that he brings to the party. Krishna Narayanaswamy is the co-founder and CTO of Netskope, and he's currently celebrating in his inimitable and modest manner being awarded his 100th patent, which I think we can all agree is a quite phenomenal achievement. I was fortunate enough to be sat next to Krishna at an International Women's Day lunch recently, and he had some really interesting things to say about patents and his patent journeys. So I thought I'd invite him onto the podcast. Welcome Krishna.

Krishna Narayanaswamy: Thank you Emily. Thank you for having me here.

Emily Wearmouth: We're gonna start with sort of an obvious one, and I'm gonna ask it to you, Suzanne. What exactly is a patent and why do we always talk about US patent offices? Are there any others?

Suzanne Oliver: Yeah. Fundamental question. Thank you, Emily. So a patent at the end of the day is a document, it's a technical document. Patents have to be technical, it has to be... It has to have a description that allows someone else to carry out the invention, to make the invention. And I'll come back to that point in just a second as to why that's important. And at the end of this document, if you look at one, there's some sort of legalese that describes the invention itself. So an invention could be a new car horn, but you have to describe how that car horn works in relation to a car. So the technical description part might be bigger and broader than the invention for which you are claiming at the end. And that's why you get a patent attorney involved quite a lot because those claims at the end describing the invention are a little tricky to write. But fundamentally, it's actually a contract between you and the government which owns the intellectual property office or runs the intellectual property office at which you apply for your patent. And it's a contr